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| Author: | chilibaka [ 23 Aug 2008, 13:22 ] |
| Post subject: | A widescreen monitor with built-in scaling |
I'm looking for a 22" (or 24") widescreen monitor that has built-in functions for pillarboxing (aspect scaling). Pixel mapping (1:1 scaling) is also preferred. The reason for this is that sometimes I like to play older games that have no widescreen support without them stretching on my monitor and Nvidia never seems to fix the scaling problems in the 8800 series drivers for Windows XP. My current setup is XFX GeForce 8800GTS to Samsung SyncMaster 225BW via DVI cable. I've been bugging the local and not-so-local computer stores with my search for monitor and they either don't know what I'm talking about, can't be arsed to test their selection of monitors or refuse to let me test lots of different monitors in the store. So far I've found only one, Nec 2470WNX, but it's 24" (I'd prefer 22") and it costs almost 800 euros, which is a little bit more than I had in mind to spend on a new monitor. Oh, I live in Finland so the monitor has to be available in Europe. So if you know a monitor with these features, please reply. Hugs, praise and cookies shall be awaiting you. |
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| Author: | Tamlin [ 23 Aug 2008, 13:55 ] |
| Post subject: | A widescreen monitor with built-in scaling |
:welcome If you don't need 1:1 (though you call it preferred), this screen is 22" with full screen and scale to aspect. Its a newer model from Samsung and looks interesting: http://www.tietoasema.fi/eshop/?sid=1&cid=4&gid=141&sgid=14103&vid=&pcode=LS22TWHSUV%2FEN&whid= You should write about your budget and perhaps more of your preferences and uses. This will help others more to find a screen fitted to your needs. :) |
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| Author: | chilibaka [ 23 Aug 2008, 15:18 ] |
| Post subject: | A widescreen monitor with built-in scaling |
Thanks for welcoming me. That Samsung doesn't really appeal to me. I think it is the design that throws me off. And the store shows it's 22" but on Samsung's site they say it's 24". The reason I'd prefer the monitor to have 1:1 is that some older games look quite horrible when scaled up. My planned budget for the monitor is 300-500 euros. But if there is a superior monitor above that price range, I'm willing to wait untill I get my scholarship (I'm about 90% certain that I'll get it) and spend a part of that on the monitor. The main usage of the monitor is going to be gaming and video. I don't have a TV, so I watch all my movies on my computer. I also spend countless hours staring at my screen while browsing various websites and reading ebooks. Sometimes I get my toes wet in little graphics design or photo editing. Low latency for gaming and good colour depth are what I'm looking for in a monitor. One thing that would make me do the hop to 24" is that my musical hobbies have me do some audio editing and a bigger screen would let me see more of the waveform at a time. An increased workspace would also benefit my schoolwork that involves using CAD or circuit design programs. So 24" is fine but anything larger is definately too big for me. One extra thing I'd like the monitor to have is a good stand. One little annoyance with my current display is that it doesn't go as low as I'd like to set it. A really good stand is one of the reasons I might be willing to go over my current budget. There you go. The community here seems nice, I hope I can finish my quest for a monitor with the help of you guys. |
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| Author: | Tamlin [ 23 Aug 2008, 20:00 ] |
| Post subject: | A widescreen monitor with built-in scaling |
Samsung has a 24" varient of this also, but this is a 22", hence the name T220. :) Your uses makes it a bit hard and also the preferences. Best color depth you get with true 8-bit and above (10-bits 24" are on their way into the marked). The TN's like the Samsung you have and the one linked here are 6-bit with dithering up to 8-bit. For color work, you need IPS. Though you can calibrate other panels with descent DeltaE 2mm from the panel, it won't stay that way when you move further away from the panel. Only IPS have a stable image consistency. For gaming, TN's are fast, cheap and have little to no input lag. You either need to go a bit higher up in price or make some compromises. :) Like this one: http://www.tietoasema.fi/eshop/?sid=1&cid=4&gid=141&sgid=14103&vid=&pcode=KD911AT%23ABB&whid= Looks promising, but I've read little about it. It has 1:1, full screen and scale to aspect though. Its S-IPS , which means there image is good on all sides, but I don't know if it has the polarizer used in the H-IPS panels which gives great black at angle. |
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| Author: | chilibaka [ 23 Aug 2008, 20:38 ] |
| Post subject: | A widescreen monitor with built-in scaling |
Thanks for the in-depth reply, Tamlin. I guess my uses are so various that finding the perfect monitor to do all the stuff is hard. One display to rule them all... :) You seem to be quite the expert on the matter, how would you rate the Nec 2470WNX for the usage I have in mind? I also did some more browsing and I've grown quite fond of the EzUp stand found on some Eizo monitors. It would allow me to position the display just the way I want it. Are there any monitors from Eizo that you could recommend for me? I've given things a little thought and it's an awful truth that I spend time in front of my computer (and thus staring at my monitor) a lot. So I could go a bit higher up in price, perhaps even as high as to afford the Nec and other displays around its price. The monitor will be used to its money's worth, I'm quite sure of that. :wink: |
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| Author: | Tamlin [ 24 Aug 2008, 12:24 ] |
| Post subject: | A widescreen monitor with built-in scaling |
I rarely directly recommend screens, since people are so different. As you say, "one display to rule them all" is hard to find. There are no perfect displays no matter how much money you spend. One person can find a minus about a screen to be minor and uninportant, while for another person its a dealbreaker. There are two things you should especially look at before purchasing an Eizo or NEC of their PVA based models: 1. Are you sensitive to input lag? Even Eizo's advertised "lag free" screen, the HD2441 has 40ms of input lag. The NEC 2470WNX I believe have 33ms, which is average for non-TN 24" screens. I have 33ms on my 2690WUXi, but I'm not sensitive and don't feel it has had any negative effects on my ET: Quake wars gaming. For others, this might be a dealbreaker, so you need to see how its like for yourself. 2. PVA have some problems with viewing angles. This is also dependent on the user how intrusive it feels. Let me give you some links to see. Just remember that camera's pick up the changes faster then eye's usually, so its not that extreme for most people. Black crush at center due to viewing angles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZnaMex2FUo&NR=1 Look at color shifts in face and the apperance and disapperance of the headrest behind the boy here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC7EozTCGSQ You can calibrate the center to get pretty good on the newer Eizo's, but there will still be a shift even at center view vs. sides. Here's a high-end Eizo: http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eizocg241wcolorshifthq1.jpg For most people, this is minor and not so important, but you should check how it is for you. :) From Eizo, I would still advice the HD2441, provided that you are not sensitive to image shifts and input lag. :) The NEC 2470WNX got a favorable user review from a person here at WSGF: http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10084 |
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| Author: | chilibaka [ 24 Aug 2008, 16:26 ] |
| Post subject: | A widescreen monitor with built-in scaling |
Alright, it looks like I'll be pitting the following monitors against each other: NEC LCD2470WNX-BK HP LP2475w Eizo HD2441 At the moment I don't feel the hots for the Eizo, since it doesn't have the stand which got me interested in their monitors in the first place. But in all fairness I'm giving it a chance. Any other displays that I should consider throwing into the fray? The gaming and video outweight the other stuff I do on my computer by far, so I'd like to include at least one gaming-orientated contender. I think I also take a glance at NEC 2690WUXi to determine if 26" is too big or not. I read your review and it got me interested. Too bad the 24" version (2490WUXi) doesn't seem to be available in Europe. :( I also have a 15" MacBook Pro (Gen. 4). Do you know what kind of display it has? My guess would be TN but I remember hearing that the 4th generation might have IPS. In case I have to plan some compromises, can I rely on my Mac for more colour sensitive work? I just have to say I really admire your knowledge and enthusiasm on the subject. You've earned at least a couple cookies already. Thanks to you I can get right into the business next time I go to a computer store instead of having to frustatingly explain what I am looking for. :bowdown |
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| Author: | Frag Maniac [ 25 Aug 2008, 00:18 ] |
| Post subject: | A widescreen monitor with built-in scaling |
Keep in mind the 26" S-IPS LG Philips panels that NEC, Planar and Doublesight use are actually 25.5", not a full 26". Of them the Doublesight is definitely the best bang for the buck and offers the same input lag as the Planar (less than 1 frame) which is less then the NEC, but you may be underwhelmed by it's stand. Here's the irony concerning stands though. Many want a height adjustable stand, but if they aren't sturdy enough you get lots of wobble at the higher positions, which some of the newer Samsung stands have received complaints about. With a lower height non adjustable stand, you may have to set it on something to get your desired height, but it may also be more stable. LCDs don't take vibration well, so it's something to consider. |
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| Author: | chilibaka [ 25 Aug 2008, 00:31 ] |
| Post subject: | A widescreen monitor with built-in scaling |
Thanks for your reply, Frag Maniac. Unfortunately from the three manufacturers you listed only NEC seems to be available in Finland (or in Europe for that matter). I'll keep the thing about the size in mind though, the 2690WUXi might turn out to be a worthy contender once I see it live. The thing that made me like the EzUp stand from Eizo was that it would have allowed me to set the display really low, only an inch or so away from the tabletop. My Samsung 225BW sits on the lowest position on its stand and I'd still like it to be lower. |
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| Author: | Frag Maniac [ 25 Aug 2008, 00:39 ] |
| Post subject: | A widescreen monitor with built-in scaling |
You may also want to look into Hazro in the UK if you can have one shipped at an acceptable price, whom make both 24" and 26" S-IPS monitors. They also have aluminum bezels and offer them in black and silver. I think when it comes to the large displays many don't realize they don't necessarily need to raise them up. In the pictures they look like they sit fairly low, but when you factor in the size of the display it's actually not as low as it looks. My only ciriteria for height on the display I will next choose will be that the screen clears my center channel speaker, which I place in front of my monitor. Other than that I can simply height adjust my task chair to fine tune. |
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