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I do see the point if we're going in circles. The whole 300 dollar tv thing for example has been repeated 4 times now and it's getting nowhere. I don't want this to end in a flamewar as I allready seen some pretty aggitated posts. It's getting locked if I see any more of that.

Most everything said here has been parallels of the article's interpretation or examples aimed at the root cause of piracy, namely game affordability. Perhaps a little leeway? It's not as agitated (correct sp) or OT as you're making it sound. Some topics like this are obviously going to draw more opposing opinions than others. It doesn't mean they are automatically flame war material.

I do see the point if we're going in circles. The whole 300 dollar tv thing for example has been repeated 4 times now and it's getting nowhere. I don't want this to end in a flamewar as I allready seen some pretty aggitated posts. It's getting locked if I see any more of that.

I don't know if I've come across as agitated. It's certainly not how I feel, and I've tried hard to not sound like a flamer, so if I came across that way I apologize. I've got no reason to flame anyone here.

I think my debate with cranky has run its course. I am a bit disappointed that the best I could achieve is an impasse...I thought my communication skills were better than that.

Oh well.

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The thing is that we had loads of piracy related threads in the past and they always ended in endless arguments. I want to avoid that now.

Now now. Will some of you stop dissecting into millifractions what someone said with numerous little quotes to pick the eyes out of each sentence to make your overall view seem more right by prooving scores of little wrongs in what someone said. I tell yer it sounds like some of us in here are charging by the word...springs to mind lawyerism.

The end of the day, the public don't dissect little tid bits and milli statements, they interpret or misinterpret at first glance what someone said. In this case, Cliffy made a sweeping public statement which has made himself look like a roostersmoker (the paultry type, as in a cock) by implying whether on purpose or not (who cares) that the enthusiasts are pirates. The public has reacted and it is obvious that he has done himself an injustice merely by popular vote of this thread and other sites. Since there is not Judge and Jury in here no need to break it down into 1000's of peices of evidence. He said something stupid. Period.

The end of the day, Cliffy made a sweeping statement which has made himself look like a roostersmoker

In the spirit of making my opinion seem bullet proof, I dare anyone to proove that he doesn't look like a paultry smoker. You can't (or shouldn't bother), but doesn't mean I'm right, it just means it's my opinion.

I consider myself a high end user and I don't pirate, and I don't know how to torrent as far as I know how to cool my PC with water, which I don't. However I know both exist though. I don't pirate games...but I did when I was a low end user and a student. So hence my opinion.

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Steefy I hear ya... I was going to lock it... but then it got me thinking, us older members remember the the 985467345987634078 page thread on piracy, but for some newer people this is there first go at it...

Last time I check in on this one so here it goes... lame exit joke.

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Threads over, maheries the winner.

I think this thread is interesting if I ignore half the content.

I'll be honest. Come out with a straight up way to get a keyboard and mouse on a console. Provide me with a DVI hook up, or VGA hook up (already available) and I'll switch my monitor over to game as long as I can have a shared keyboard or something.

I hate the controllers, I have one, used it for all 3rd person players. but I prefer my keyboard...even for racing games...
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You're forgetting that the argument was based on how easily they could afford their games, since that's what you were implying. Having a $300 video card does not automatically mean you can easily afford the games.

But it does mean they can easily afford games. It doesn't necessarily mean they can afford them every month, but they can afford games in general. That alone makes the "they pirate because they can't afford games" excuse bunk.

I mentioned once a month because it's a more accurate representation than a few games a year, esp for someone with a dedicated gaming rig.

Nevertheless, it's completely at odds with the "they pirate games because they can't afford them" excuse.

OMG, no wonder you seem to unconditionally support Cliffy, you sound like his yes man press agent. Now it's not only anyone with a high end gaming rig, any kids with dedicated gaming rigs living at home with their parents are automatically pirates too.

Once again, you are seeing sweeping generalizations where there aren't any. I said "lots of kids." Repeat. "Lots of kids." Not "any kids." Kindly re-calibrate your scrutiny machine.

As someone on the other side, This is very correct. I saved up for 5 years for this PC

Then if you still have income, you can save up for a game too, and therefore can afford games. Just because you can't have a game every month doesn't mean you can't afford games. I can't have a new game every month either.

Might I add that Option B and C would actually be worse for game developers.

C isn't worse for game developers. Game devs don't make any extra money when you max out their games.

Cliff made a generalization. Generalizations are frequently ambiguous.

His generalization was that high-end gamers know how to pirate. There's nothing at all ambiguous about this generalization - he says that you know how to pirate, and so does everyone else with high end equipment. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think the bottom line is that we simply perceive Cliff's statement in different ways.

Perceiving is one thing. Making a grievous accusation based on a perception is another.

In this case, Cliffy made a sweeping public statement which has made himself look like a roostersmoker (the paultry type, as in a cock) by implying whether on purpose or not (who cares) that the enthusiasts are pirates.

Again, he did not imply this. Perhaps certain vocal message board users perceived it to be this way, but the most his words imply is that *lots* of the enthusiasts are pirates.

The public has reacted

But what did the public react to precisely? As far as I can tell, few of the public even read his statements - they just clicked on topic titles that say "CliffyB is calling you a pirate and personally blames you for PC gaming's decline and global warming" and made up their minds that he was a tool without even seeing his words in their original context.

Making a grievous accusation based on a perception is another.

What grievous accusation? What does being "another thing" mean, exactly?

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